The End of Fluffybooru (Author:Anonymous) (4chan post)

To my understanding, Fluffybooru had been in a state of decline. Some people would claim it was the over-abundance of abuse. Some would claim that it was the excessive toxicity and negativity on the booru, and there is a definite history of the booru doing hate art as well as running off people who they dislike. Over time, many of the sites regulars had departed or became less active, with some of the notable departures including Aichi and Menthol (both of who were mods). Some would say that people just move on from fluffies, but the fairly negative nature of the fandom, as well the remnants of drama in the comments seem to suggest otherwise.

Then, in 2019, Hewmon gave the site up. From what I understand (though Hewmon can clarify this) he had lost interest in the subject, and no longer had interest in hosting the content. This left the future of the site in jeopardy. Guzziman, a longtime site regular offered to pay the bill and host the site, which is how Fluffybooru.org made the move to Fluffybooru.com, under Guzzi’s name in 2019.

Some people attribute this move to a request from people to have their content deleted. People were already departing from the booru and requesting their content to be deleted before, but at least one person I know was of the opinion that more deletions were made after the site change.

Fluffybooru initially had an official discord that Aichi created but, when Aichi left the fandom, he deleted the discord. Techi, who was made a mod, also made a new discord server to replace Aichi’s. At some point in 2019, an artist called Pawn joined the booru. He would later join the discord, and become one of its mods.

So, fast forward to December 2019 - January 2020. People have been leaving the booru and deleting content. There was new content coming in, but the site’s activity was a far departure from the old days. New content was trickling in, with some days going on without any new content. At this time, there was only four mods: Techi (technicolorcarnage), Deadweight, Soulvei/Crystal Leviathan and Wetfluff.

At the same time, there was a subreddit devoted entirely to Fluffyabuse. This subreddit got deleted, and some of its members banded around to create the Fluffycommunity subreddit, the idea being covering all fluffy content under one subreddit (there are other fluffy subreddits like Fluffyhugbox and Fluffysadbox but they are not related to this one)

Pawn, who was previously a mod on Techi’s discord, had a falling out with her. To put into perspective, Techi is very young SJW, and the server she ran also had a strict number of rulles (people had to have a Fluffybooru account to join, and porn wasn’t allowed) As such, Pawn decided to start his own Fluffy server, where people could post porn and didn’t need a Fluffybooru account. This is how we had two rivalling Fluffy discords on the booru.

So at the start of 2020, we have a decaying Fluffybooru that had more people leaving when it changed to Fluffybooru.com, and a new admin at the time (Guzziman), taking over from Hewmon. There were two discords, because drama from Techi’s discord made Pawn start his on. At the same time, there was a rising reddit scene thanks to the Fluffycommunity subreddit. This was the state of fluffy fandom for the first quarter of 2020

Around about February to March of 2020. the artist Fluffycommissions had returned from his hiatus and started a fairly popular CYOA. He had uploaded his contented anonymously, under his own account, and also with the help of Foxhoarder, who lives in another country, and uploaded some of his content on her own account. This included the CYOA, and work on a visual novel both Fox and him made.

Then, in April of 2020, all of his content deleted. Considering how some of the account was anonymous, or was posted from an entirely different IP, the deletions were done deliberately.

The blame was initially placed on Wetfluff. Although there were four mods on the booru, the only one doing active work was Wetfluff, as the other three were either too busy, or no longer had interest in fluffies. In addition, Wet was known for gatekeeping and being excessive in his modding. He would delete a fluffy pic if it was “not fluffy enough”, “looked too MLP”, “spoke perfect English”, “was a Mary Sue OC donut steel”, and so on. At the same time, he gave a free pass to stuff like Munstah Mummah who had some work with her OC but no fluffies in it. However, Wet was a fan of Fluffycommissions stuff, and himself was puzzled by rather sudden deletions. Guzziman himself got involved in the matter, and started the other three absent mods. All of them stated they were not on the booru in over a year.

It was later found out that the deletions were done by a rogue admin on the site. It wasn’t Wet or Guzziman who did it, nor was any of the other three mods - it was someone else entirely who had an account with admin privileges.

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This is where Pawn comes in. Guzziman made the claim (though we don’t know how he found this out, and even Wet is unsure how he got this IP info) that the IPs of the rogue admin account could be traced to Pawn. It didn’t help that, just a month earlier, one of the mods on the fluffycommunity subreddit (that being a guy called Pope) mistakenly thought that Pawn was the owner of the booru. This, on top of Pawn’s tiff with Techi led her cronies to blame Pawn for the hacking. The thing was, Pawn didn’t seem to possess any technical knowledge to be capable of such an act. In addition, people have been known to dupe and fake IPs. Pawns name was cleared, but in the process, the three inactive mods lost their privilege and, in a state of fairness, Guzziman removed ads to both of the discord servers.

(on a site note, the mod who thought Pawn owned the booru, Pope, is no longer with the subreddit)

Following this event, Wetfluff mentioned that Guzziman was starting to lose interest in the booru.

If the rogue hacker incident caused the dominos to fall, the fallout from the discovery by Click youtuber was the straw that broke the camel’s break. At some point in June or July, some youtube called the Click discovered the fluffycommunity subreddit. So far, he made four videos on the booru.

As a result of the Click covering the topic, a lot of people started joining the subreddit. Most of the Click’s fanbase consisted of edgy, impressionable 13+ kid were edgy kids who were more interested in creating Jellenheimer OCs and Mary Sue OCs. However, there has been some really talented fluffy writers and artists that can be found on the subreddit. Around about the same time, the booru was starting to get a bit more traffic. According to wetfluff, this saw the increase of anon comments on the booru, as well as harassments on Wet and Guzzi,

However, I should point out that it was clear that Guzziman lacked coding knowledge. Wet mentioned that both guzz and him didn’t know how to turn off anon comments.

Whatever the case, whether it was his inability to control the situation, or a premeditated movie, Guzzi burnt all bridges and pulled the plug on the booru on the 30th of September, 2020.

To put a final word on the subject, there is a lot of blame and hate levelled at the Click, since his videos on the fandom had cast it in a more public view, and had opened the floodgates to a much younger and rwodier audience. However, I’m not going to blame the Click. Even if the Click did not discover the fluffycommunity subreddit, and with it the booru and its fandom, someone else would have. The booru had been a ticking time bomb, and its sordid nature was going to lend itself to destruction the moment it would be discovered by the public eye. Not too long after the Click stopped doing videos about the FluffyCommunity, two other people on youtube did so. And it may happen again.

In my opinion, the real cause of the booru was the rogue admin incident in April, which may have affected Guzziman’s own interest in hosting the booru. The booru’s culture of toxicity and negativity certainly didn’t help, as various parties took advantage of the incident to push forward certain agendas. It could even be argued that Guzziman was not forthcoming on why he suspected Pawn, and later absolved him of the blame. The Click incident and redditors did play a part, but it was more chaos after that one incident.

Whatever the case, the booru is now gone.

  • Anonymous

Source: /trash/ - Off-Topic » Thread #34291805

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the bigger they are the Harder They Fall

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Wow if I was around when this happened am I now an oldfag? Or at least an intermediatefag?

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The rogue mod incident was what motivated me to write Gaiden II at the time.

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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaayum…
So THAT’S how it happened.

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So that’s how it went down
can’t have a community without at least a little destructive drama

The talk about toxicity on the booru explains the amount of positive encouragement and “you’re doing great” posts I’ve been seeing on this website - I appreciate the effort to make this “fluffy second start” a healthier experience to everyone invovled

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Nope, yer still a newfag.
Now shaddap an’ hand me my Geritol an dentures, consarn it!

(Grumbles) dadgum kids nowadays, I tell ya…now when I wuz their age, (ramble-ramble)

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Seeing it burn down in real time was a sad and scary time. So many great things lost. At least they could’ve given us a back-up or something. We are just trying to salvage what we can.

The fluffy booru itself had its fair-share of enemies. For some reason fluffies are the thing people get weird about. Happy tree friends? Fine. Stickdeath? Fine. Torturing Neopets? Fine.

It’s just the weird thing with fluffies and I never understood why. Hell, at one point there was someone who constantly reminded people that they are being reported to the FBI. I’m sure they have more things to worry about than just attacking imaginary animals.

The one thing that I felt that was always the kind… the “beginning” of the end was people leaning more into political stuff. Sure we always had it, but it was done in a mockingly way. Vermin Supreme as president in the fall of cleveland for example.

Then you had the time when someone wanted to make a sequel to fall of cleveland, and it was pretty much full of Trump jokes, and SJW vs Anti-SJW stuff. I don’t think it went anywhere. This probably caused some divisions in the community.

The biggest main issue I think and this was one we didn’t notice. We kinda forgot what the booru was all about. Fluffies. It felt like it was becoming more about abusers vs Hugboxers which is still a problem. Of course this led to a divided community that big Us VS Them mentality is what probably caused the most harm to the booru.

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I remember when a few creators got run off, that wasn’t pretty. Hope they feel alright enough with the fandom to come back someday. The toxicity on the booru wasn’t great, and this site is far better. The fact that people are way more accepting is an awesome sign that this site will go a lot more smoothly. Hope it stays this way.

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breaks down door with an army of hamburgers with glocks

FREE BUTT SECS

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THIS. There is seriously no reason to bitch endlessly about the parts of this fandom you don’t like. Don’t like hugbox? Ignore it. Don’t like abuse? Get over it. Don’t like anthro/subspecies/other people’s headcanons? I don’t like some of those things either, but you won’t see me shit all over their comment sections or write an overly verbose screed about why I think it sucks.

Live and let live, people.

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@Fluffyologist Going to point out some things:

Happy tree friends? Fine.

Happy Tree Friends was not complex. It was usually one quick animation of their cast members dying, and thats it. That, and they come back to life. Its not really comparable to fluffy fiction that sees the torture, humiliation, agony and suffering of a fluffy until its death. And in some cases, its permanent, with the abuser creator preferring not to bring the fluffy back. Also, Happy Tree Friends is syndicated material so thats something to keep in mind.

Stickdeath? Fine.

Ackshually, and speaking as somebody who was a highschooler at the time: Stickdeath had a fair share of anti-Semitic content. The creatore of Stickdeath is a right-wing guy and, given the time (9/11, War on Terror) it seemed to easy to cast and depict the enemy (aka Muslims in the Middle East) as all “bad guys” or “terrorists”. I’m pointing this out because, if you’re talking about politics, @Fluffyologist, Stickdeath was political

Torturing Neopets? Fine.

I never really came across Neopets torture or any such culture 0_0 The most I know was about their ties to Scientology. This strikes me as a “smurf abuse” scenario. But when I think of Smurfs, I think of the larger fandom - most people look at smurf abuse in disgust.

It’s just the weird thing with fluffies and I never understood why.

It really depends. I mean, when I go on derpibooru, fluffy can also refer to an MLP character thats fluffier (hence the imporoper use of tags sometimes), or to Fluffle Puff (who, I will argue, is a fluffy pony)

I’m sure they have more things to worry about than just attacking imaginary animals.

To be fair - our group ahs been accused of animal abuse. Its why we have strong rules against posting or depicting “real” animal abuse.

Then you had the time when someone wanted to make a sequel to fall of cleveland, and it was pretty much full of Trump jokes, and SJW vs Anti-SJW stuff. I don’t think it went anywhere. This probably caused some divisions in the community.

I feel that a Fall of Clevelanbd sequel can never work. Fall of Cleveland was not just a product of the fluffy fandom, it was a product by bronies. Because, the original fluffy fandom was bronies, and pretty much 99.5 to 100% of the people who worked on Fall of Cleveland were a fan of MLP. And 2011 to 2012 was a time when bronies were doing a lot of big projects. I know this, because I was there, and I was involved in a few. This was the period when Bronycon started and Fallout Equestria was written. That Fall of Cleveland succeeded was because of this time period.

The biggest main issue I think and this was one we didn’t notice. We kinda forgot what the booru was all about. Fluffies. It felt like it was becoming more about abusers vs Hugboxers which is still a problem. Of course this led to a divided community that big Us VS Them mentality is what probably caused the most harm to the booru.

I can agree to this, but I feel that this is an issue that cannot be solved so simply.

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The problem is that people just don’t do it. They’ve done this over, and over again, within the history of this fandom. Even just recently we had the debacle surrounding the premature cancellation of Hugmas on the subreddit. And when I say people, I point to a specific group, who are usually abusers. I admit to being a hugboxer, and knowing a few hugboxer who will harass abusers, but enough familiarity with the history of the booru, and its comments, have show that its usually abusers who go out of their way to harass or demand that artists focus on abuse, or that hugboxers leave. Just the one time when Carpdime drew a really nice hugbox image was enough to piss off a lot of people.

There was a comment by USS Robertson that I want to post here. It can be found here - https://www.reddit.com/r/fluffycommunity/comments/kmekv4/quitting_abuse_entirely_because_if_posting_abuse/

The people responsible for the behavior are honestly loving the reaction they are getting. Its what abusers do. A fluffy that doesnt cry when you hit it is boring. A community that doesnt react when you violate the rules is boring. They knew what they were doing and the whole big explosion is exactly what they were waiting for.

This is the reason why I am a hugboxer, and I focus on hugbox. While I don’t believe in harassing abusers, and I think they should be fine with enjoying their content, I will defend hugbox, and I do there is a need for more hugbox, as well as more quality content, within the fandom. My personal approach to hugbox is not only to show “wub and huggies” to fluffies, but also to people, especially thsoe who focus on fluffy “wub and huggies”. I feel that people tend to focus too much on shock and gore content, and ignore some of the efforts of people like Waggytail and Coalheart, who wanted to explore fluffies as endearing pets, or people like Carpdime, who was interested in extensive worldbuilding.

I feel that too much abuse has been transgressive and has contributed towards a toxic environment. If this fandom is to change and to survive, it needs to change this, otherwise it will repeat.

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I know I’ve stated this over and over, but the rabid vigilante-ism against topics that certain ppl dislike (IE. posting Anthro content, in my case) is what turned me away from the reddit community. If you think the booru was bad, reddit is “booru-on-steroids.” That’s why I exclusively post here. Lots safer and more tolerant of varying viewpoints and preferences, and less homicidal bipartisanism.

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It also doesn’t help that the reddit is outright against anthro content. I’m not against it myself since I think anthrofluffs can be interesting idea to explore.

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That’s exactly what I’m talking about. With Bluebell and the gang, I try my utmost to keep the content as low-key as possible (Mature theme and dialogue-yes, occasional nudity-yes, but just to maintain interest; I don’t want fapmaterial to be a main plot-driver), but the fluffycommunity subreddit absolutely WOULD NOT TOLERATE anthro, even clean, NN stuff. That intolerance is really what made the reddit dead to me. After all, the majority of my posts here are anthro.

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I wasn’t aware the booru was against anthro. I posted anthro-content there all the time. the subreddit is the one which is violently anti-anthro.

Virgil and I discussed this a while back, and IIRC it stems from some paranoia about the reddit turning into another furry-porn site.

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“I feel that too much abuse has been transgressive and has contributed towards a toxic environment. If this fandom is to change and to survive, it needs to change this, otherwise it will repeat.”

In other words, the fandom needs to evolve, or be allowed to evolve. I agree completely.

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If you spreed enough bullshit eventually people believe the bullshit oculus 1O1

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That is a strong allegation, Mr. Macgee. Are you implying that you know the truth? If so, can you tell where exactly oculus was wrong?

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There is no truth oculus is just spreading the popular opinion of what happened no one who really knows why the booru died ever said anything,this is all half truths and roomers

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